tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-540711786045571877.post6836720991177955920..comments2023-10-09T07:51:51.137-04:00Comments on The Truth About Model Trains: Model Railroading Scope (Or I'm ok, you're ok)Edhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02352219829126964688noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-540711786045571877.post-75309026684277448402009-12-25T03:31:33.936-05:002009-12-25T03:31:33.936-05:00Best Online Casino tyuueooru
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I think it may have something to do with the low level of public acceptance of our hobby, but I DO know it's something I think I'm going to explore further. Thanks for that.<BR/>Your layout actually has given me some real food for thought. The recent thread where you got all the praise for your video really drove a point home. You have created a real masterpiece in a small space. That, I believe, does a very good job of capturing something almost larger than life (the PRR middle division) in a small way. You may not have the four track broad way (and people think the train was named for the street in The City...), but the style of your main does a VERY good job of faking it. I'm not usually a fan of selective compression, but I think you've really pulled it off. <BR/><BR/>You also make a good point about the "model railroader progression". I don't know if there is such a thing though. I think that people come to this hobby from a number of directions, and I don't think there's neccessarilly a linear path from "figure eight on a four by eight" to Ken McCory's Buffalo Line. I think, more of what happens, is that there are different overlapping types of interest in trains, and that what people do with their modeling is just an expression of that. For example, I have a friend who's just "into trains". He's fascinated by the art of what we can do, and what's created, in N scale. He's quite talented at scratch building, but tells me to piss off when I bring up "well, what did the prototype do?". Not because he doesn't think it's a valid point, but because he's enjoying his creative process. In this regard, modeling is a medium for his creative talent. He's actually had a lot of influence on my thinking, and is the reason why I built myself a door layout. I'm glad he did, I'm really enjoying it. He's gotten me to loosen up a lot about trains, and that's <I>definitely</I> a good thing. <BR/><BR/>I hate to trot myself out as an example, but in this case, I think I am one. I don't enjoy doing most of the minutia of modeling (isn't THAT strange?). Things like converting couplers, installing decoders, and doing electical work, all bore me, and I try to avoid them whenever I can. However, I will put time into things that are visual, which I guess means that I'm more concerned about the appearance of my models than their function, but that's not entirely true. I feel that I'm actually very interested in their overall function. I want a Conrail SD40-2 (well, actually, a bunch of them). Not because it's an interesting model, but because they were a mainstay of CR's mainline fleet, showing up most everywhere. They're kinda the "baseline" engine, as it were. Not having them is a major gap in my roster. And while I enjoy smaller, second hand stuff more, in order to model the "meta" of Conrail, I need a few. And if I'm going to have some, they have to be at least close, to keep up their "Conrailiness". For example, I know that they had one style of grills (corrugated, vs chicken wire), and 88" noses (as opposed to 81" ones). These details are important to me because they signify when the locomotives were purchased (post 1976). They also have to have Flexicoil trucks instead of the stock HTC ones (because these were distinct Conrail-only features). I'll put the time into making these details right, but I had BETTER be able to just drop a decoder in it, because I sure don't want to fight with cutting into the metal frame or picking up my soldering iron. In this example, my level of electrical gizmology is really low, however, I feel my level of spotting-feature smack-fu is rather high.<BR/><BR/>I DO however, think there is a progression of knowledge once someone becomes interested in something. But this only happens after there's a desire to learn about something. The whole NMRA "Master Model Railroader" thing is a good example of this. While I believe the name may be a bit of a misnomer, it does represent a very graphic example of the scratch building procession. I think that if we really want a better representation of what a modeler is all about, we need to look at the combination of all of the various (infinite, it might seem) areas of interest in the hobby and their progression on all of them. But then again, this begs the question "why?". But that's probably going to be another post some time.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02352219829126964688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-540711786045571877.post-76024897917042172082007-09-27T11:28:00.000-04:002007-09-27T11:28:00.000-04:00Hey GuysI really enjoy your comments. I'm finding ...<B>Hey Guys</B><BR/>I really enjoy your comments. 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This distinction contrasts in interesting ways with a distinction originally drawn (I believe) by David Barrow between representational vs. realistic model railroads; the point of reference for this distinction isn't "railroadiness" but "prototypicality." A representational railroad doesn't try to duplicate prototypical scenes, buildings, rolling stock, etc., but instead tries to convey the "look and feel" or "gestalt" of the road and era being modeled; in contrast, a realistic railroad tries to duplicate, insofar as possible (e.g., via compression, suggestion, or outright trickery) documented prototypical features. <BR/><BR/>I find these terms useful to think about my own modeling commitments, which I would describe as simultaneously macroscopic and realistic. I want to convey railroadiness without worrying too much about achieving modeling excellence with each and every component, while at the same time the components need to be strike the viewer as reasonably "realistic" (i.e., prototypical) -- even if the components are not, individually, modeling masterpieces. Ultimately, my goal is that anyone who had spent some time watching trains in or near Price Canyon would, when viewing my layout, experience a "shock of recognition."<BR/><BR/>I thought about this quite a bit this afternoon watching four of my IM SD40T-2s hauling 35 (empty!) quad hoppers up the 2% eastbound grade of my N-scale Utah Division's Gilluly Loops. I use -- horrors -- Unitrack, albeit painted and ballasted Unitrack, in part because I have limited time available for modeling and want to develop a relatively large, operating layout with completed scenery within a year or two. But the main reason is that I believe that Unitrack's deficiencies from the microcosmic point of view are largely irrelevant to my twin goals of macrocosmic scope & realism. For example, my track plan is based on extensive research and, apart from necessary compromises, duplicates the documented layouts of the yards at Helper, Soldier Summit, Thistle (ca. 1965), as well as the main line that connects them. In addition, I've learned how to hack Unitrack in numerous ways, including creating beautiful-looking easements (R718+R481+R384+R481+R781),laying out perfectly aligned triple-track curves by exploiting the latitude in R481 Unijoiners, and even creating code 55 Unitrack for sidings and yards. (It's easy, actually.) But most importantly, my trackwork is laid on a foundation that duplicates documented Rio Grande and contemporaneous track engineering standards, including subsurface grading and drainage. Ultimately, I would argue that my (hacked) Unitrack, although it violates <I>microcosmic</I> norms right and left (tie spacing, etc.), can actually be MORE <I>realistic</I> in its total effect than code 55 flextrack that is laid without any regard for prototypical grading practices, drainage, track plans, etc., as it so commonly is. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for this great post (and, equally, Dave Vollmer's comment), which got me thinking about my objectives in a disciplined and (for me, at least) enlightening way. And I can only echo Dave's comments that the more carefully we consider the tradeoffs we've made, the more likely we'll appreciate those made by others. And who knows? Perhaps I'll change. A fantasy layout of mine would be an entirely microscopic yet representational HOn3 D&RGW narrow gauge layout...! <BR/><BR/><BR/>Bryan Pfaffenberger<BR/>Charlottesville, VABryan Pfaffenbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09014006730315355763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-540711786045571877.post-24078356100722875432007-09-25T11:21:00.000-04:002007-09-25T11:21:00.000-04:00I've found that the "it's my layout, I'll do what ...I've found that the "it's my layout, I'll do what I want" statement is often a knee-jerk defensive reaction to criticism rather than a recognition of differing hobby styles. Granted, much of the time it's a response to unconstructive criticism, but it's occasionally used as a block to prevent any suggestions for improvement, no matter how constructive.<BR/><BR/>I don't think anybody is questioning the right of a model railroader to choose Unitrack over handlaid or to pull autoracks with a Big Boy. The real question is whether we wish to stay in one camp for good. Some do, some don't. But when offered constructive advice that we wish not to take, it's probably best to say that we've "considered that, but have decided against it for dumpty-dump reason," so that we can defend our camp. The defensive "I do what I want" sounds like the hobbyist has made uniformed and ill-considered decisions and doesn't wish to learn from the collective experience of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-540711786045571877.post-24398525473367241572007-09-25T10:49:00.000-04:002007-09-25T10:49:00.000-04:00Over on Trainboard, there's a hilarious interplay ...Over on Trainboard, there's a hilarious interplay between a couple of very interesting threads:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?t=91771" REL="nofollow">You know you have prototype-itis when...</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?t=91856" REL="nofollow">You know you have freelance-itis when...</A><BR/><BR/>--BryanBryan Pfaffenbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09014006730315355763noreply@blogger.com